2014 CRV Timing Chain and VTC "rattle" issue"

I have a 2012 CRV with the same issue. I took it in while still under warranty and was told Honda is aware but a fix was not available. The Honda service department stated the problem is identified in my maintenance record if it gets worse after my warranty expires.

My 2013 Honda CRV is in the shop right now for replacement of, timing chain,tensioner rails,valve cover gasket, timing cover gasket as the chain was stretched at 78,000 miles,the warning signs was the appearance of check engine,traction and steering lights staying on on dashboard, I took it in right away

Just got back from dealer and was tols my timing CHAIN "streatched" how can a metal chain "streatch" and at 87k miles this would be less life than a belt - dealer blamed it on not getting the proper oil changes on time - COME ON! this is what i thougt I was avoiding with a Honda - after several Honda's and several amaerican cars - I'ld have to say there is doubt on the relaibility of the Honda - seems more like that "great GM feeling" I was trying to avoid!

Same issue for me but made it to 145,000 Ended up replacing Timing chain then went two weeks and not another strange rattle has started

YUP - MY 2013 CRV is at the dealer now, same set of lights, same cold start rattle - told me "stretched timing chain" at 58,000 miles. I showed them that I had the extended warranty. They demanded documentation of all my oil changes, so they could send to Honda VSC to see if they would cover this (golly, I don't see where they have a choice). Fortunately for me I was able to find them.

We had a similar issue a year ago, went through a whole fight with getting it covered under manufacturer/extended warranty. The service guys wanted to blame us not getting oil changes A. at their shop and B. not every 3,000 miles. They claimed we weren't suppose to base our changes on the oil life % gauge as that is not its purpose (bold faced lie). Good news, once everything was fixed, it worked! Until this week, where all the issues are starting again, so I look forward to this fight :)

Same thing here. 2013 Honda 64000 miles.they replaced the actuator 4 times!!! Same problem with lights on dash and sluggish pick up. Today they tell me the problem is the stretched timing belt. I think this is their new answer

Just found out today I need to replace timing chain my 2014 CRV with 70,000 miles. Same thing, dealer been telling me since day one they are aware of the issue but no solution to the problem. VERY DISAPPOINTED in Honda. Thought they were better than this. Not sure I will buy another Honda.

well after replacing the timing chain the issue was not fixed. still no pick up, all dash lights still on. They decided to call the honda tech support line and were told to replace guess anyone?? The vtc actuator. well this time they appear to have replaced it correctly and the car has made it almost 48 hours without a problem. This has been a nightmare.

Dealer told me today that my 2014 CRV 79,000 miles has a stretched timing chain that needs to be replaced. Cost $1930! Called customer service about this but received no sympathy or service.

call corporate customer service. I had good luck with them. They offered "Good will" to pay for it when I complained about having had other parts replaced then was told it was timing chain. So got it replaced, then they had to replace the actuator for the 4th time and car finally worked. Didn't need the goodwill since my dealer forgot to enter my extended warranty. But I was assigned a case manager who did all contact with dealer for me.

I have a 2013 Honda CRV with a 100000 on it. The VTC valve has been rattling sense about 40000 miles with no help from Honda. Now with the rattle 3 times louder than it's ever been and happens every single day they tell me I need a new timing chain and VTC actuator at the tune of $1800. Yes you could say I am outraged. I will not buy another Honda and I will not recommend a Honda to anybody. There should be a recall on this.

I have a 2014 Honda CRV with 60,000 miles on it. The VTC actuator started to rattle intermittently at 30,000 miles. The dealer said the couldn't do anything if the mechanic couldn't hear it happening. After recording it on my phone, they replaced it under warranty. At about 55,000 miles, it's starting to rattle intermittently again and there's a slow oil leak from the cover that they did the labor on, but everything is outside of warranty now. Very disappointed in Honda. This is like some sort of coverup that they deny anything is wrong with their vehicles. Ready to trade it in and get a Toyota.

I have a 2013 Honda CRV 74,000 miles. Dealer told me that my car has a stretched timing chain that needs to be replaced. I am very disappointed with Honda and will NEVER buy another one. There should be recall on this.

i have a 2014 Honda crv with 75000 miles, the dash board lights came on frequently and was told originally that perhaps i didn't have the gas cap on securely. the lights came on again this time they told me it was 1 of 2 problems both of which sounded like an engine breakdown but to bring the car back when the lights were on they could better diagnose the problem. third times the charm. dashboard lights are on roll the car into honda they state teeth missing on timing chain, needs to be replaced guides and tensioner. i called corporate immediately after and was told it would be handled by a case manager. i'm 100% sure Honda has a problem with this engine and need to do a recall on it. im contacting everyone and anyone who will listen. lastly Honda are a piece of junk and they so called reliability rating is a scam.

Car has been in the shop 11 times for "the noise" that for some reason only people at Honda cannot hear. My car has 148,000 miles on it and my car has been great aside from the God awful noise it makes every morning when I start it and the trunk that will not open in the winter (which started as soon as my warranty was up). Just found this service bulletin online. Does this mean that they will fix this being that the part is defective?

car is in the shop now. at 40,000 miles had the tensioner pulley replaced as that is what they said the grinding noise was... never solved the problem and I just let it be but the noise continued. now at 127k they confirmed that, yup, its the VTC, however its now burning oil and the timing belt and tensioner need replacing again. They want $1480 for the three. I switched from Nissan to Honda at my husbands urging... should have stayed with Nissan. I never had a problem with my previous 3 nissans until they had upwards of 250,000 miles

Bought a used 2014 CRV with 11,000 on it in August, 2017. Started making the actuator grinding noise December 6, 2017, at start in the morning, 57 degrees out, mileage 15,443. Happened 3 more times within a week, caught it happening on my iPhone each time, Honda replaced actuator December 20, 2017. December 22, 2017, grinding noise back at morning start-up. December 29, 2017, grinding noise again. Then didn't hear the actuator grinding noise again until... December 17, 2018, mileage 27559, 5:30 am, 51 degrees. December 27, 2018: grinding noise, 53 degrees, 6:15am December 28, 2018: grinding noise, 48 degrees, 6:21am December 29, 2018: grinding noise, 49 degrees, iPhone video of noise at start-up December 29, 2018 again: grinding noise, 50 degrees, 11:27pm If I hadn't been in a car accident in August, 2017 that totaled the car I'd still be driving my trusty 2007 Honda CRV instead of this piece of garbage.

The same thing is happening to me. I bought my 2014 CRV in Nov of 2014. Brand new no miles. During this time the grinding started. Brillance Honda in Crystal Lake, IL said nothing was wrong since they didnt hear the noise. 2015, 2016 and 2017 I had the actuator repaired. I had to pay in 2017. Now 2018 it starts again almost year to date. I want this fixed at no charge. I will be contacting Honda, thought they had great cars. Not sure I would do this again

Do you have a Lemon Law in Illinois?

THIS ONGOING VTC ACUATOR ISSUE WITH HONDA IS RIDICULOUS. I HAVE BROUGHT MY VEHICLE TO HONDA ON SEVERAL DIFFERNT OCCASSIONS OVER THE LAST 3 YEARS. IT IS A DEFECT IN THE VEHICLE THERE IS NO DENYING THAT. I HAVE HAD THE ACUATOR REPLACED 2 TIMES , MY ENGINE IS NOW BURING TO MUCH OIL WHICH IS A SECONDARY ISSUE TO THE ACCUATOR MALFUNCTION. I WILL FIGHT HONDA ON THIS. I PURCHASED A BRAND NEW 2014 HONDA THIS LIABILITY IS THEIRS TO OWN. I WILL GET AN ATTORNEY !! IM ANGRY!

Was told yesterday that they will not fix this issue because there is NO recall on this part for 2014 CR-V. Not had any light go off yet. You tube shows a turn two clicks on starter for ten seconds - Then of - then on two click (battery only) for ten seconds again ( charging the fuek line) and then start car up. No grinding of the VTC. Kinda works. Temporary FIX.

I am dealing with the same issue. I spent over $700.00 to replace the VTC ACUATOR and a year later it is doing it again. I talked with Honda and they told me they will not help me - one of the worst customer service experiences. I have owned four Hondas and this is the first one to be a lemon. Dealer wants another $2,000. to replace chain and VTC this time to see if works.

I have had the same issue of the grinding sound during startup. Got no answer from AutoNation Honda in Memphis. They all looked puzzled when I played the sound back from my IPhone. It’s like waiting for the other shoe to drop. I keep getting contacted about Honda wanting to buy back the car. The LAST thing I want to do is get another Honda.

Cross your fingers - talked to the customer service manager at Hamer Honda today and he said they will replace the actuator again tomorrow morning. For all of you trying to talk to your dealer about the issue, Honda put out a Service Bulletin, #09-010, in March of 2016 which states: SYMPTOM "At cold start-up, the engine rattles loudly for about 2 seconds." POSSIBLE CAUSES "The variable valve timing control (VTC) actuator is defective." CORRECTIVE ACTION Replace the VTC actuator. This procedure does not require the complete removal of the cam chain and associated parts, so repair time is much shorter." You can find the bulletin on-line and it is 11 pages long - look it up, copy it and take it in to the service department with you - from Honda's own mouth they know the part is defective.

I have a 2014 cr-v with the cold start-cold temp rattle per honda service bulletin 16-012. VTC actuator is defective on all 2014 CR-V's (according to Honda) I was really lucky and just had the VTC actuator replaced for free with only 20 days left of the 5 year warranty... phew, glad I brought it in when I did! I was really clear about the issue and stuck a note on the steering wheel saying don't start it unless a tech is there listening (if someone moves it before a tech hears it you'll be out of luck) Hope this helps someone else... bring it in ASAP as soon as the noise starts!

Just found this and it has been eye opening. Same story pretty much as everyone else. 2014 CRV, rattle reported to dealer with no solution. At 114,000 all indicator lights came on and dealer says the noise "a stretched timing chain" with estimated cost of $1600 ( which will be more). When I asked a bout my extended warranty they told me it expired at 100000 miles. So why didn't they fix it when I reported it under warranty? Seems like Honda has known about the problem but just waits for it to break so they can gouge more money from owners. This was my 6th and last Honda!

Had the actuator replaced, under warranty, for the second time (first time was end of December 2017) on February 26, 2019 via the dealer, mileage just under 30,000. No noise at start up after the replacement until March 8, 2019. Exact same thing happened when the actuator was replaced the first time, at the end of 2017 - actuator is replaced, the grinding noise happened about ten days later and then no grinding noise at start up for the rest of 2018, until the weather cools off and the noise started again, at the end of 2018. So far have only heard the grinding noise once since the recent replacement, mileage is at 30,000, from last year's experience would fully expect the grinding noise to return in force this coming December when the weather cools, would be very happy if it did not but won't hold my breath. This is my third Honda and agree with you - would never buy another.

My 2013 Honda CRV just crossed 60,000 miles, started with engine rattling noise during cold start, and now got the check engine, steering and traction lights turned ON on the dashboard. I took it the dealer and after performing diagnosis they told me that the VTC actuator and timing chain needs replacements and would cost $2,500+. I came to know that it was due to manufacturing defect on the faulty VTC actuator as mentioned in Technical Service Bulletin 16-012. This VTC actuator problem contribute to high oil consumption as mentioned in this link: https://www.julieannacline.com/engine- rattles-on-cold-startup-tsb-09-010/ In the recent oil service I was informed that was low engine oil. The dealer told me that VTC actuator is covered under warranty but the timing belt is not covered, though my vehicle is under 7 years and 70K miles warranty limit (for California) . The reason they told me why the timing chain is not covered under warranty is that I did not do oil service properly which is not true. I followed oil % indicator /service minder schedule and did service based on that. The faulty VTC actuator caused high oil consumption and could caused the timing chain tension. I contacted American Honda, but found that it was waste of time. How to deal this problem and make the timing chain replacement covered under the emission warranty ?

I have had the timing chain, tensioner and guides replaced. The noise is still happening. It's a 2012 Honda CRV.

Purchased this 2013 Honda CRV EXL AWD new in 2012. I have had the grinding/rattling noise sense 30,000 miles. Dealer says no fix is available. They were no help at all. Had the timing chain and VTC replaced at 100K. This helped but did not fix the problem. Two months later, the problem is now worse than ever. A $ 30,000 vehicle should not sound like the motor is going to fall out. I am outraged and will never buy another Honda.

Adding to the list of complaints. Purchased for my wife a 2014 CPO CR-V EXL in 2016. This past winter timing chain rattle started at 40k miles. Had the chain and auto tensioner replaced yesterday. Started the car this morning to the same rattle. Its going back tomorrow for VTC replacement. Schaumburg Honda was upfront about this being a known issue, and is replacing free of charge (albeit under the CPO warranty), appreciate their honesty so at least I know the dealership is trying to do the right thing. Disappointed in Honda, however, after finding this blog that they haven't issued a recall.

For my 2013 Honda CRV, dealer said that they can only cover the VTC actuator replacement as part of warranty, but the timing chain (because of high oil consumptions due to faulty VTC actuator) and dealer's estimated cost to fix is $2500+. Talked to American Honda to cover all of the repair cost as part of warranty (my vehicle is still in the limit), but they were telling lies over lies (and not accepting their manufacturer defect) and said that vehicle owner needs to own the expense. This is the price you get in buying Honda. I am done with Honda, they lost the credibility.

I having the same issue. I have a 2014 Honda Crv with 83000 miles... The problem started around 50000 miles.. Honda is well aware of the situation and I was told by many service dealership that it not cost efficient to replace all the timing belts on these vehicles... They're hoping that the owners would just go away. Another issue that my car is having is a consumption of oil ..I'm losing close to 2 quarts of oil every oil change. This consumption takes place between oil change without not even a drop of oil spilling out onto the floor. Figure that? Horrible

I also have a 2013 Honda CRV that has LESS than 65k miles on it and the VTC Actuator has been replaced 4x in the past 2 years (twice in one day)!!! And today were just told that it needs to be replaced AGAIN in the tune of $1,800. Seriously, our the last Honda CRV had the problem, that one was more costly in that the timing chain went but we were assured by Honda that the 2013 CRV did not have the same issue. I call BS!! Honda refusing to take ownership with the faulty part and continue to expect the consumer to pay until they figure out how to fix it it ridiculous. There is no customer loyalty so.... Message to Honda - You can take the rattle and your vehicles to the bank because I for another will not buy another Honda!

Hi Same issue- Dealer said sorry- but too bad- Also, when I first bought the brand new 2010 crv- my radio reception was bad on the highway and the city- I bought it in cape cod thinking I would get good service- Brought the car in 3 times to get radio replaced- the guy said I’m not getting a different radio before he even listened to it- He said if it sounds good here that’s all that matters- spoke to manager who gave me different antenna but did not help- Called Honda - they told me to go to another dealer- I told the manager if I can’t speak to the owner I will tell everyone in my community that they won’t replace my radio even though it was faulty- got the owner on the phone and said I would get a new radio if I upgraded to Sirius xm radio- Can’t believe Honda seems to go out of their way to not help you - Also, needed a key re-keyed- Honda of Cape Cod(horrible) said they couldn’t cut my key - might break their machine- they are so full of shit- went to my Brooklyn dealer - he said no problem- definitely dealer specific-

Same issues 2014 CRV rattling on every start up now 120k miles. Had actuator replaced at 35k and worked for about a year then slowly started again. Now just ridiculous, does it all the time even if you rev motor it will rattle slightly.After reading this and many others online of how the dealer and Honda is handling it, this was my first and last Honda.

OMG! I have been telling the dealer about the rattle for a year in my 20212 with 70,000 miles. His answer, "ya my wife's CRV does the same thing!" Took it to a Honda certified repair shop, chain is stretched and possibly damaged the cylinoids. Waiting for a price but first estimate if it is cylinoids, chain and actuator is $5K. Clearly Honda has a problem. Same thing happened in my old Acura. My next car will be a Toyota.

Just woke up this morning and my husband's 2013 Cr-V had the dash light issue and the grinding on start-up. He took it to our independent mechanic who told us it is a recall and Honda should fix it for free. I called our Honda dealer (from whom we have bought SEVEN Hondas) and they are "looking into it" - haven't heard back from them yet. I called American Honda 1-800-999-1009 and the rep told me that right now it's just a "Service Bulletin" which tells the service department what parts to order and what task to perform and that it is only covered under 36,000 miles The Service Bulletin states that the part is "defective," so I asked her why Honda isn't standing behind their product and replacing it in ALL cars no matter how many miles since it is defective. She said that customers are always welcome to pursue getting a complaint turned into a recall, blah blah blah. When I told her how upset I was that Honda was not standing behind their products and that I was going to take to Twitter, she hung up on me! So, I have taken to Twitter. Go tweet your issues to @AmericanHonda. Get the word out that they do not stand behind their products!

I have a 2014 CRV with the exact same problem. I swear it started in the first year, but I haven't done much for it. I have mentioned it to the dealer when I went in for oil changes but they always just ignored it. The noise is worse in the colder months. I'm afraid to get it fixed after reading this message board. This is my third Honda but might be my last.

All of you go to NTSB website and register you problems like I did so Honda will be forced to fix it ! Bought my CR-V new in 2014 same problems started 15,000, now at 50,000 CR-V in shop for 3 days and same BS for dealer.

@Apple how do you register to get this fixed?! I sent in an email to NTSB will they email me back !?!? Just checking. Thanks

Bought my 2013 CR-V new, timing chain replaced at 72,000 miles. Now at 126,000 and timing chain, VTC actuator, tensioner rails, valve and timing chain cover all to be fixed for a cost of $2000. I will never buy another Honda again.

Also report it to www.nhtsa.gov or Honda will keep ignoring the timing chain, VTC actuator problem. We need to force a recall {insert raised fist emoji}!

It's not just 2005's or 2006's Pretty much all of them up until 2017 or 2018 when they started making them up here in the states. However, why do I get the sneaky suspicion they will be the same issue. It seems the "earth-dreams" engine is not all it is cracked up to be.

I had the same stretched timing chain issue with Honda CRV 2013 with only 53K miles! Very disappointed in the quality!

HOW COME HONDA DOESN"T HELP PEOPLE WITH THIS PROBLEM>>>>WE NEED TO JOIN FORCE TO COMPLAIN WHAT HONDA QUALITY HAS REGARDING THIS LONG TIME issue. I have the same problem with my HONDA CRV2014....LETS ALL CALL HONDA SERVICE DEPT TO VOICE OUT OUR CONCERN.....HONDA >>>>>PLS DO YOUR JOB > PLS MAKE QUALITY CARS>>>>>

I had the same issue with our 2014 crv. 48k and needed chain replaced. I made such a stink over it the regional honda service manager covered 1200 dollars of the 1800 bill. The chain still should have lasted 150 k

Same issue with a 2014 CRV for my daugther. It sounds like its going to fall apart when starting up nd I am seeing significant safety concerns due to this problem

I have the same problem with a 2014 CRV. It was replaced at 30K miles, then started to rattle again at 60K miles. It's really upsetting. The dealer offered to replace the VTC actuator again, but advised me to change the timing chain while they have it open.

My daughter has a 2014 honda crv and it's had this noise at start up for a long time. We just don't know what to do about it after reading all the stories about Honda fixing it but the problem coming back. I'm retired so I have time to fight Honda.

Same problem, my CRV has 102K miles, just got fixed today (I feel lucky - they only charged me $1100 for Chain, solenoid, vtc actuator, and tensioner). I didn't realize the cold start noise was related to problem I just had fixed. I thought it was a starter going bad. This is unbelievable and disheartening to think it'll probably happen again soon.

Short comment, I've had most of above comments, Honda's customer service rep was not sympathetic, spent over $4,000 on repairs in one visit; won't recommend or be buying Hondas again, will stick to reliable Toyotas........

Bought our daughter new 2014 Honda CRV from local dealer in 2014. Reported VTC problems to dealer at 21,000 miles and received the same run around! Dealer finally replaced VTC at 23,000 miles but wouldn't address the timing chain or the oil consumption issues that are inherent with faulty VTC. Now at 53,000 miles and again need to replace faulty VTC following Honda SB 16-012. Will be addressing the need to simultaneously replace timing chain and related parts again. Also will discuss the related long term engine damages caused as a result of defective VTC which is indicated in abnormal oil consumption. Jerry

We have a 2015 CRV with 56,000 miles, they replaced the VTC, two weeks later back in the shop and they replaced the timing chain. Didn't get 20 miles from the dealership and 0 oil pressure, blown engine...now we wait for the fight for the dealership to take responsibility and replace the engine under warranty. Tell your friends not to buy this car!

Same story, 2013 CRV with 77,916. Months of rattle at start led to dash warning lights going off. Told my chain was stretched and would need replacement. On 12/3/18 paid $1500 for chain, tensioner, actuator, etc replacement. My CRV burns oil, so they told me that I let it get low and that caused it. Now I’m at $95,000 and the chain is again rattling at startup. Only made it one year. I constantly check oil level, this time there is no way it’s related to oil getting low. Also told at last Honda service oil change that my oil pan gasket is leaking and they charge $750 to install the $10 gasket. Think I’m done with CRVs. Never had any issues owning same Civic for 13 years prior to this.

I also noted the grinding sound upon starting on cooler mornings. It started too early for a timing chain fairy tale. I now turn the key all the way to start position and leave it there for 15 or so seconds and do a starter turn without starting the car one or twice..just turn the crank a tiny bit without ignition. The I start the car without the grinding. Why this works I don’t know. Had problem with bouncing at low speed..turned out to be transmission torque converter problem which was worked on at the dealer...my cost. Not sure about Honda’s.

Same problem as everyone else on this board. Bought my wife a low mileage 2014 CR-V, and as soon as it got cold, the rattle started. I've been battling between American Honda and local dealership a few months. I requested they either fix this problem or offer written proof that the rattle is not doing engine damage. They will honor neither request. This 'defect' has been known to Honda since 2008 with the Accords, yet they are still manufacturing this defect into the 2.4L engine. Any attorneys willing to start a class action lawsuit against Honda on this matter? If you are I'm in!

Same problem. My wife just took the car to Honda dealer and spent $2000 to have the timing chain replaced. The 2014 CRV had 'rattle' noise during cold start about a year ago, my wife took it to the Honda dealer and they said there was nothing wrong. Now at 59974 miles and 3months passed 5 year warranty, the dash warning lights going off and timing chain has to be replaced. This is ridiculous!!

I feel your pain... I believe I will be in your situation in the near future. It's beyond ridiculous, since Honda has known about this issue for years, yet continues to use this engine without a fix. On top of it, their TSB does nothing but drain customers of money. I guess I have my answers from owners like you... This problem does damage the engine. I hope a lawyer feels ambitious and starts a class action lawsuit. Again, you have my sympathies.

Taking advice from a fellow poster, I did a quick bump start this morning. Meaning, a super short starter engagement without fully turning the engine over. I then started the car as usual, and no grinding noise. It was 28F this morning. This confirms to me an oil pressure issue with the VTC actuator, which one would think Honda could resolve by now. My wife's car goes back to the dealership yet again for a diagnostic.

My 2014 CR-V with only 35,000 miles also needs the timing chain replaced. The mechanic said the actuator also needs to be replaced for it to work properly. cost $2000. Not happy with Honda right now!

Yep... Local dealership did the TSB st $1,200 and I still have the problem. Contacted American Honda for the 3rd time and all they can say is take it back to the dealer. Contacted the dealership and they say they are out of answers. I wrote American Honda stating that if my engine sustains damage due to this defect they would be hearing from me (along with my attorney). American Honda has no interest helping those of us with 'holder's model vehicle defects. They are now on the hook to fix the 1.5L engines with the oil dilution problem. Bye Honda!

Same thing.... grinding noise on cold morning... the problem is there since I have buy it. Last year, 4month to the shop (2x vtc actuator, valve adjust, 2x timing chain tensionner, water pump, strap bender, starter and vtech oil sensor... problem resolve because the hot season is arrive! Surprise! This year, the noise is back!!!!!!! The problem still there! Cr-v 2013 140k kms

Yep, American Honda is no help, and all they do is deflect and wear you down until you stop contacting them. At this point, now even the dealer won't return my calls. I can never get a person just voicemail. It's going to come down to us loyal Honda customers not buying their vehicles anymore. Sad, but money is the only motivation they respond to... This WILL be my last Honda.

2/10/2020-My 2012 Honda CRV with 98500 miles is at the dealer right now. They want $2000 for "This quote is based off of the timing chain being stretched after the inspection. Will recommend replacing timing chain, guides, tensioner, VTC actuator and solenoid." Got a bunch of "who shot John" from the Service Rep who wanted to blame everything from oil change timing (or lack thereof) to winters in Indiana. This is my first and last Honda.

2/11/2020 - Same issue here. We bought a used 2013 Honda CRV with 82,000 miles on it. We noticed the noise when trying it out. We bought the CVR under the promise they would deal with the problem. They ended up replacing the VTC actuator but we had to split the cost with them. Now the problem has returned 9 months later. We replaced the serpentine belt because it was stretched even though it only had 15,000 miles on it...$100. Not sure where things go from here. Frustrating!!!

2014 Honda CRV with 79k miles. I have had all the same issues listed above. Almost 2 years of complaints about the rattle at cold start only to be told I bed yet another oil change each time I complained, they also blew off my observations of the frequency of oil changes. Last week after the “traditional” rattle and roll my Check engine light came on, I drove straight to the dealership and was slammed with an $1800 bill for the timing chain and VTC replacement. After a few unpleasantries which included fear tactics like (don’t drive off the lot or your engine will blow up and other shenanigans) In the end after calling Honda Customer service armed with my service records and specific mentions I forced the techs to add over the past year of rattling thankfully one mention of possible future timing chain damage. I got Honda to cover 80% of the cost. Last CRV ever!!!

Another call from American Honda.... No help, a d again told me to go to the dealer for a diagnostic. I told him I'm tired of doing this, and that the dealer was out of answers. I said that all you need to do is review the issues with Honda's customer base whi own the 2.4L engine. The response said it all... The information Honda collects is proprietary, and we don't claim that there is a systematic issue with this engine." I said, Then why did Honda issue a TSB for this non-problem?!" I got silence then, "All can recommend is that you take it to the dealer for a diagnostic." Folks, Honda knows about our constant problem, they are just unwilling ($$$) to step up.

My 2014 CRV has been rattling by since new on cold startup. My dashboard lights came on yesterday on the way home from work, so I drove directly to Honda. Was told my timing chain was stretched and it would cost me $3,200 Canadian to repair. Only 86,000 kms. They acted like this was the first time they’ve heard of this problem. Now I know it’s quite common. Hi from Canada!

Just filed a complaint at www.nhtsa.gov!

2012 Honda CRV 72000 miles, same issue.

Mine is 2014 Honda CRV, I took it to dealershop when 137000km for rattle noise they said propeller shaft has to be replaced. After 2000km driven in May, engine lights on they checked and told timing chain is the issue and they gave the quote for $679 + get + labour for 1600+tax. Seems like Several customers experiencing similar issue Honda should aware of this issue and they don’t take any action which is so weird. This will be my last car from this made. Don’t want to experience again this

I have 2014 Touring, bought in fall 2013. Has only 24000 kilometres on it. Told yesterday that timing chain cover is leaking, repair cost over $700. Also wheel alignment should be done. Except for about 50 miles a couple days ago, all driving is highway. This would be far more repair work than my Accord or Sable or Hyundai, which had no work done before 120000 km. Very disappointing, or a gouging attempt by servicer. Have also had the startup rattle from the beginning, particularly winter, but vehicle stored inside.

I had 2005 crv, have issue as you guy described. Finally, got rid of it. After I searched internet it is not just CRV but pretty much all honda models. If you can, stay away with Hondas.

I just talked to the Honda 800 # and they said they know the VTC actuator has a problem but the rattle at start up is normal for the 2014 CRV. She said the new Honda doesn't have that problem anymore. She said there is a service bulletin on it but no recall is necessary because it's not a safety issue.Obviously a brush off.

This is the same problem with my 2012 CRV this is my third and last Honda this is in a bulletin by Honda that their replacement part Is defective.. I had my timing chain replaced at my cost did not solve the rattle at start. I'm done

I have a 2013 CR-V with 22600 original miles and it’s going into the dealer tomorrow for this grinding upon starting. I heard it a few times during the colder weather and thought maybe I just held the key too long. Now it’s been 90 degrees and it started doing it on every start when the car sits overnight. I have called Honda and contacted them on twitter and they basically told me to pound sand since it’s a 2013 even tho it only has 22000 miles. Is there any kind of class action lawsuit being filed over this?

yet another person. Bought our 2014 in 2017. First VTC actuator replaced in Dec 2017, replaced again a month later for same noise. Water pump, belt and coolant replaced in Feb 2018. noise never went away but always present only when cold and only usually after sitting overnight or for extended period. This summer the noise has come back. Yes in the summer, and it does it at nearly every start. Even if you just shut it off for 10 minutes. It sounds horrible each time. Took it to dealership they looked at it and said it needs timing belt tensioner and yet another VTC actuator at at bill of $700. I prompted reached out to Honda NA corporate office. I have to take it back in this week to have an oil pressure test done. As soon as this is "fixed" (i'm sure it'll never be fixed) but as soon as its not doing the noise every start this thing is getting sold. JUNK

Honda extended the warranty on this VTC actuator to 8 years/80,000 miles. Anyone falling within those parameters should get this fixed at no charge.

I couldn’t find anything about Honda extending the warranty. Do you have a link to a Honda site? Would be great because I am just under 80,000 miles.

I don't have a link, but I mine is at the dealer right now and I had the service advisor look it up and he said they've added this to the emissions warranty good for 8 years or 80,000 miles and that my car would be done at no charge. Well, this VTC actuator is known to cause the timing belt to stretch, so no charge for the actuator, but $1,200 to replace the timing chain. :(

Been reading all these complaints Honda knows all about this problem, even when our new Honda was under warranty Now at 77.00 miles we have to go thru all this crap . Just had starter replaced now we see problem isnt the dam starter !!! Never bring your car to Causeway Honda in Manahawkin NJ for their free oil changes the mechanic compleatly destroyed the access cover under the car didnt unscrew it just ripped it off !

I am interested in this extended warranty too. I have a 2013 CR-V that also has this VTC issue. I bought it new and i just turned 23000 original miles. I had 22600 miles when this started. Of course my warranty is up. Their answer when I contacted them and went to the dealer was tough luck. That’s an 1100.00 fix and we can’t guarantee it won’t go again. I’m hearing it now on every start, yet they said it won’t cause any issues besides the sound. The one dealer mechanic even said if you can put up with the sound I wouldn’t replace it. These answers from Honda are total BS and they keep getting away with an expensive issue they’ve known about for years. I will never buy another Honda.

Again, this VTC actuator issue has been added to the emissions warranty so coverage has been extended. I handed the TSB to service advisor and asked him to look it up. He did, and said it was fully covered for my 2014 CR-V.. They fixed it at no charge, so don’t take no for an answer. https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2016/SB-10088283-2280.pdf

This must be some type of dealer goodwill because I just called Honda and they didn't add the VTC ( SB#16-012) defect to the vehicle emissions warranty. Honda service departments know of the problem so this is frustrating. Soniceendeavor, when I gave Honda the TSB they said the dealers won't act on that. Did you reference something else when you got it covered?

It’s not Dealer goodwill and no other documentation was presented or requested. It’s been well reported on various message boards that the warranty has been extended on this issue. My service advisor looked it up In the Honda system and immediately told me it was covered. All 2014’s are covered, but per the TSB only certain 2013’s are covered. Provided that your CR-V qualifies, it’s ridiculous that so many of you are getting the runaround from misinformed people at Honda and their Dealers.

It's weird that sonicendeavor's honda service advisor can find the warranty extension but other honda dealers can't. Frustrating!

I’m wondering if some of these Honda representatives don’t understand that the VTC actuator is a component of the engine’s iVTEC system which is designed to lower emissions. The repair guide I saw says to check both the powertrain AND emissions warranty for coverage for this repair. Federal emissions warranty is 8 years/80,000 miles.

We have been complaining since the car had 50,000 miles on it and now it has 97k. Honda dealers and the 800# know there's a problem but they told us no coverage. There is a class action lawsuit out there so who knows what will happen from that.

My Honda dealer has NO idea what I am asking for, all I have gotten is the runaround....leave the car overnight at the dealer so they can listen for any noise.....guess the video I showed them must have been photoshopped....uggh. HOWEVER, if you park this lemon (2014 CR-V) on an angle with driver's door opening towards the ground, oil is then trapped in the VTC actuator and no noise whatsoever. So far, over three months of testing with maximum wait time of 30 plus hours, thanks.

Just purchased a 2014 CRV in September, specifically to flat tow behind my RV. I've had aa expensive tow plate added tow the vehicle as well. As the weather cooled, I began to notice the grinding sound on cold starts for around 2 seconds. I thought it was something sticking in the starter, so I jumped onto the internet and BINGO, here I am! I called my local Honda dealer and they said they have this issue a lot, but I would need to bring it in to confirm. I am a huge Honda/Toyota fan, and only Honda make a flat towable vehicle, and it must be 2014 or older. I insisted on a Honda because of their rock solid reliability. Love the vehicle otherwise, but from everything I've read, I really don't want to stick $1,900 into a vehicle for a repair that won't last. Sad to see such a once reliable auto manufacturer with a known defect not standing behind it. My next option is a Chevy Equinox. I think I'll just trade it in.

Earlbuss: my situation is identical to yours and Honda fully covered the cost of replacing the VTC actuator under the 8 year/80,000 mile emissions warranty. I’m quite disappointed in this car as well but it’s expensive to install another baseplate on a different car, move the AF1 braking system and connect the rear lights, so I’m going to stick with this thing. Also, the VTC actuator issue can cause the timing chain to stretch which is NOT covered. That’s a $1,200 Repair.

I'm a Honda tech. Usually don't need to replace the chain for the vtc rattle noise only the actuator on the cam. As far as chain stretch it's due to wear. Every link in a chain wears now the chain is longer so it's not stretching in a way you think. And the only thing that causes it is lack of proper oil change interval. So shame on you if you only change your oil every 15-20k and expect no I'll side effects, that's on you and no one else.

I should have stated the timing chain issue differently. There are many posts indicating that the timing chain was found to be elongated during the VTC repair, It’s not that the VTC issue causes the timing chain issue. Oil changes on mine were all done as scheduled but I don’t know if the previous owner let the oil level get low which I understand can contribute to both issues.

I have the same issue with my 2014 crv. I fixed it . What is Honda going to do about this issue?????????

Also I see posts on here about oil changes. I have changed my oil every 3500 miles my crv has 76,000 on it. With Honda oil and filter. With that being said it is not an oil change issue.

i have the same issues... i am thinking of doing nothing...can someone testify on the problems of letting it go on like that instead of paying 2 000$ for a new motor and 2000$ labor... Thanks in advance i am in canada, and i have 200K KM on it. CRV 2014. definitly not oil change issus. What did you guys do?

I have a 2013 Honda CRV with the same problem. I paid the dealer $750.00 about four years ago to fix it and it came back and then they wanted over $2,000 to try to fix it. I decided to just accept it and now at 185,000 miles and hoping I can go a few more years.

I probably shouldn't be talking about this but we joined a class action lawsuit against Honda concerning this same issue. Hopefully I will be able to provide some info in the future if they let me. Obviously it's a known common problem with Honda.

Vince, I would love to join you in the class action lawsuit. Please post more info if possible. Thanks.

yep i would like more info also. thanks.

As would I. I only have 23000 miles on my 2013 CRV and Honda refuses to do anything. Please pass any info along on this action. Thanks.

I hope the class action suit is addressing the inconsistency in dealership service department response to this issue. As I stated previously, my service department immediately acknowledged that the warranty had been extended to cover this defect for 8 years and there was no charge for the fix. Per this thread, many service departments and even Honda customer service employees were clueless which is ridiculous.

Tom, I purchase 2014 CRV used with 17,000 miles, a week later is started making the dreaded "Start up Rattle". Car Max told me to take my "New Purchase" to Honda dealer for repair. they new about it, but did not tell me about it. Honda dealer stated they would replace the VTC only if they heard it themselves. They did hear it and replaced the "failed VTC". The repair lasted about a week.??? It is a fact that, left as its IT WILL CAUSE ENGINE FAILURE sooner or later. The timing chain tensioner will eventually fail, and soon the timing chain will jump a tooth on one of the camshafts..GOOD BY VALVES.. I don't know if Honda has an updated repair as of January 2021. Honda previously stated that it would cause no damage.Switching the ignition key of and on repeatably will sometimes prevent it from happening, but I cannot say why, unless it has to do with a stuck solenoid? Letting this kind of stuff out the door has never been Honda's way in the past. They ALWAYS HAS GREAT QUALITY CONTROL.. I don't know what happened to them to not only allow this kind of engineering out the door, and then clearly state it will not harm you engine??? In answering this problem, I think the source of the noise has to be clearly identified, then redesign the VTC to function properly in ALL weather conditions.

I also would appreciate any info on the class action suit. My wife:s 2014 Honda CR-V CPO has the same start-up rattle. We are just starting the process of getting it in for repair. Thanks

I recently purchased a preowned 2013 CRV awd in Toronto, Canada on a private sale with 123,000km (77,000miles) for my daughter to commute to school 1 hr away. After 500kms, the VTC started getting louder and I it took to my mechanic. They indicated that this generation of CRV is plagued with problems and I just bought a money pit vehicle. I decided to get the VTC, timing chain and tensioner changed at a cost of $2000. As Honda Canada would not cover any repairs out of warranty. Now with 124,000km, there is a wirling and grinding sound on acceleration from 0-60km/h. Took it back to my mechanic and he said that the transmission may have gear issues and would need to be rebuilt or replaced. The tranny fluid was clean, and bright red. Took it to a transmission shop and they confirmed the same thing. Undecided on what I will do next. Maybe I will replace the tranny with a low mileage scrap yard tranny....probably will loose about $4,000 in repairs on a Honda CRV in less than 2 months. Anyone planning to buy a '12-14 Honda CRV stay far away. Avoid Honda as their quality has dimished. I should have not assumed the Honda reliability and stuck with Toyota which I owned as well.

What’s interesting is that I’ve talked to 12-14 CR-V owners whose cars have been rock solid for over 100,000 miles. I’d be surprised if Honda doesn’t know the conditions that correspond to this issue (factory where engine was built, part supplier, oil issues, etc.)

Unfortunately Honda is not the same company it used to be. Calling Honda is a waste of time, as they never own up to their problems, and only know how to make excuses. My solution? I’m buying a new Mazda CX-5. Will never buy another Honda, as they don’t know how to treat their customers. Good luck?

Today is 3/29/2021 and car is at 138k. I bought 2014 CRV on 11/3/2020 form Go Honda Edmonton, Canada at 132k. I noticed after a few days of purchase the rattle on a cold start. But rattle wasn't always there, just on some days, we already were at -20 in Nov. I went to the dealer and told them. It took them a few days to hear it, and they said it is belt tensioner and pulley, just the same answer others got on this posting. I knew that wasn't the problem, but i replaced them, and of course the noise didn't go away. I called Honda Canada, they said they will pay for the actuator, but i will pay for the labour. Now here is the thing, I have all the paperwork from the previous owner, the car was services at Honda most of the time and at 114k, guess what?, the VTC actuator, timing chain, some tensioner and other related components were replaced. So, like others here i am willing to pay for the fix, BUT it was replaced 20k ago and now it does it again does it means i have to do this every 20k? ... since it is not doing all the time, I will have to wait until it will do every time so the Hionda dealer can hear it too from the first night left there. I also want to mention to people here who say Toyota is the way to go. Just google VTC actuator Toyota, and you will see that Camry V6 also has this problem and probably corolla. It is annoying, coz i love Honda, and second fav is Toyota. So i wonder if at the time of repair, probably when the cold weather comes back at the end of 2021 i should just take Honda to small claims court and hope to win and let them repair it every 20k on their cost. Anyone in Alberta would like to join me?

Disgruntled 2014 Honda CRV owner in Calgary, Alberta joining the chorus with those that have the "grinding at startup" issue with the VTC and timing chain. My CRV has 120,000 km on it, and my mechanic just quoted me 3k for a new chain, tensioner, guides, actuator and a TON of labor. I am so unbelievably disappointed. I have treated this car like a baby and now I'm out 3k for something that shouldn't be an issue this early. With so many people having the same issue, and considering that if this goes unrepaired it can lead to colossal engine failure, this should be a recall. Never buying a Honda again.

Posting an update here to help people who end up where I am - with a costly repair to a critical component (timing chain and tensioner). First of all, chains aren't supposed to stretch. Second, there is no "regularly scheduled maintenance" for replacement of the timing chain. It's not like having your transmission fluid flushed or your spark plugs replaced. The chain is designed to last the life of the engine. The timeline of what lead to failure this is telling and it's clear to see that Honda's poor engineering and lack of foresight to make a recall on this part has lead to this problem: 1. The VTC Actuator issue is endemic among CRVs and Accords dating back to the mid 2000s, a simple google search will show you this. 2. For our model specifically, the 2014 Honda CRV, Service Bulletin 16-012 was release on February 13, 2016 indicating that a faulty VTC actuator may be the cause of the engine rattle at startup noise. It is noted however, that service bulletins for the 2013 model were issued in 2015 - the 2013 CRV has the same engine as the 2014. 3. A faulty VTC actuator causes oil starvation at cold start. The rattle you hear at cold start is because oil has drained away from places in the engine where it needs to be. The lack of oil stresses the timing chain, resulting in drag every time it starts. That stress occurs for just a few seconds, so it's likely we didn't even hear the sound for years. But eventually, parts like the piston ring wear from extra metal on metal contact and so the sound shows up, and gets louder and louder over time with increased stress. Put your hand up if you've noticed it get worse! Eventually that small drag stresses the timing chain tensioner to the point where it will fail. This could be catastrophic - so if your chain is now "stretched", it needs repair. 4. Based on the timeline, it's apparent that Honda knew the VTC actuator was faulty, but rather than issuing a recall, decided to wait for customers to come in for service due to noise. Unfortunately, by the time you hear the noise the damage to the chain could be done. So here we are looking at full timing chain, tensioner and guides replacement. 5. It's evident based on google searches that the timing mechanism in the computer is also faulty, otherwise the "turning the key on and off before start method" would not fix noise. So although replacing these parts is necessary, it's highly likely the VTC actuator will fail again and you'll be back to full parts replacement in a few years time. There are hundreds of online posts about this happening to people. I contend that Honda has been aware of this issue and failed its customers by not issuing a recall, particularly when our vehicles were still under the 5 year powertrain warranty. I plan to fight his through arbitration with Honda but I am fully expecting to have to pay some or all out of pocket. My plan will be to compile all of this historical information along with the clear scientific evidence that the faulty VTC actuator lead to eventual timing chain "stretch" to demonstrate that Honda was aware of the issue from the onset of vehicle production and I'll be filing against them in small claims court. Best of luck to anyone that reads this. I feel your pain.

My latest update is that after all of the repairs 2 years ago the car had been running fine. I had planned on trading it for anything but a Honda but then Covid came. I started noticing the rattle again but while moving, not at start up. I took in in for service a couple of times and the mechanic couldn't find anything and the rattle temporarily stopped. After a trip two weeks ago the rattle was really loud. I took it to the mechanic and he checked the oil and the stick was dry! The car is now burning oil and the oil changes had been masking it by stopping the rattle after each service. The rattle is also back and down a quart of oil after just being changed! Actively looking to unload this beast!!

The VTC actuator issue does not cause elongated timing chains. The timing chain becomes elongated (timing chains don't actually stretch) largely because of wear due to dirty oil, incorrect oil type, or not maintaining proper oil levels. While the VTC actuator solenoid may fail due to those same oil issues, it's not the cause of issues with the timing chain. I've even seen the posts on other boards that claim the VTC actuator failure puts extra stress on the timing chain leading to catastrophic engine failure.. That's total nonsense. It's also not a computer issue. The VTC rattles because the pin that holds the actuator in place at idle and when the engine is off, is mechanically stuck and therefore not doing it's job. It's a mechanical device, not an electronic one. A few minutes spent to understand the VTC actuator would minimize these claims of causality. Also on another point, Indy shops who know what they're doing can replace the actuator without removing the intake camshaft, saving a fair amount of time vs. the way the Honda dealers do it.

The above poster, "sonicendeavor" is incorrect. The faulty VTC actuator DOES lead to stress on the timing chain due to oil starvation at startup - my mechanic of 40+ years experience is going to support me in writing a formal letter of expertise explaining this, and will testify if needed, as I begin my small claims suit against Honda on this issue. Good luck folks.

As I stated, all one needs to do is to understand what the VTC actuator is, and what it's role is, and any claims that a failed actuator can starve the timing chain of oil are easily debunked. It is flat out not possible for a failed actuator solenoid to starve the timing chain of oil because lubrication or control of lubrication is not it's role. Looking at it "scientifically" instantly rules out the VTC actuator as the cause, and immediately steers one to what the two failures have in common - oil. VTC actuators fail often with no impact to the timing chain. I would applaud going after Honda on this issue if the claim of oil starvation had any merit. Again, I would highly recommend gaining an understanding of the very simple VTC actuator, and you'll quickly understand that the link to the timing chain elongation is nothing but someone posting an uneducated guess on another forum. Best of luck

For those that need help fighting this, you can ignore "sonicendeavor", go talk to your mechanic and you'll find that I'm correct. I'm guessing he works for Honda or something, maybe he's one of their lawyers trying to prevent more law suits about the endemic issue with these vehicles. My mechanic has laid it out very well in a document with illustration that shows how oil starvation occurs due to the faulty VTC actuator when starting the vehicle which leads to stress on the tensioner. I guess it will now be on Honda to prove otherwise as I file suit. Good luck to all of you.

https://honda-vtc-actuator-problems.com/ Anyone seen this before? My 2012 is having the same issues. Is in the shop right now.

Just took in my 2014 CRV for VTC actuator and timing chain replacement. They said the warranty at the moment only applies to 7 years/70,000 miles, so be advised: I was at 78K and they wouldn't do it under warranty obviously. I told them all about the forums showing these issues and they didn't seem to know about it. I'm guessing the timing chain stretching is more common where they have colder temps in the winter for longer, since in OR we have mild winters. $1800 for the VTC and timing chain, etc replacement. Going to contact Honda of America directly and see if they will help me with the repair cost due to them knowing about this issue and still not issuing a recall or service bulletin so people can take these in before their warranty expires.

I answered on here about our problem about 2 years ago. Honda refused to admit there is a problem and we eventually got Honda to pick up part of the bill by the dealership lying and saying the car was leaking oil. The car was OK for about a year and then started making a grinding noise while driving as opposed to the original start up grinding prior to the new timing chain. Our mechanic could not find anything wrong until a recent trip when the grinding got really bad. He found the oil was 2 quarts low! The car has been burning oil since the timing chain fix and that was our last straw. Traded it in today, got $11,000 for it with 146,500 miles on it and I consider myself lucky to walk away with anything. Btw, got a Nissan Rogue, no more Hondas for us

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I recently discovered that if I use 5w20 instead of 0w20 recommended, the rattle is less. Yes oil consumption and gas consumption went up from doing this, but at least that grinding is less noisy and less time I'd say just a second now from 2 sec before and the noisy is reduced by half. I also tried the 5w30, but I could feel my car lagging and poor acceleration, so I am sticking to 5w20 for now. Anyone else tried that?

Spring-start.com has the $35 vtc repair kit. Takes about an hour to install

I have a 2014 Honda CRV - bought it when it had only 7200.00 miles. By the time it hit around 54k the VTC actuator went out. I do the maintance on the car all the time, the car is well taken care of. Oil changes every 3k on the mark and oil checked inbetween and added if needed. I am now going on my 4th VTC actuator at 102k after just having the last one replaced in OCT 2022. After this I plan to sell my car (bought it out right) and never get a Honda again. I have to constantly FIGHT Honda to cover this part as they give every excuse not to cover the repair costs. There are class action lawsuits against Honda and this VTC actuator, you that for your benefit if they are refusing to repair it - as long as you have records of you oil changes on time etc to proof you take good care of your car. Best of luck everyone! Honda is not what they used to be - their cars are crap. Toyota will be our buy next

There is so much ignorance towards general automotive knowledge, Honda, and the acute issue of the VTC actuator in these comments that my head hurts. People like Guru9VFX7T, who have no working knowledge of an engine or the lubrication circuit thereof, spouting off garbage. Clearly if you have a mechanic you have hired for 40 years, you have wasted 40 years not learning A) to find a new one and B) anything about the way an engine works. The VTC actuator *DOES NOT* have anything to do with the feeding of oil, production or distribution of, or the flow of oil to lubricate the engine. It doesn't even have anything to do with providing or returning oil anywhere - that is the function of the oil pump, which is down near the crank in the engine block. In case anyone doesn't know, the VTC actuator is integral to the intake camshaft gear, it's inside of it. It is a performance and efficiency feature that oil pressure acts upon to advance the intake camshaft timing. There is also no one here who knows how the i-VTEC system operates, which is clear by what is being written. Oil pressure supplied by the VVT oil control solenoid (through the timing cover) goes up and into the VTC actuator around 5,000 RPM, and goes through the end of the intake cam and into the center of the VTC actuator. It then pushes the locking pin out of it's detent and works against the spring that is inside the pin briefly for the vane inside the actuator to advance the intake cam and provide more power as a result. The issue is the spring and the locking pin inside the actuator. Bad timing chain tensioners can also exacerbate this issue, and on the Honda K-series engines, they are a commonly replaced part. The main thing that needs to be done is to replace the spring in the actuator, due to the original part becoming weakened and shortened, therefore not providing the amount of pressure needed to keep the locking pin in it's detent on the backside of the gear. The other part of the fix is to remove the locking pin and work it over with some abrasives until it moves freely in and out of the bore and detent. And yes, timing chains DO stretch, and it is caused by running the engine low on oil. This overheats the chain and leads to stretching. It's not much, but when you compare a stretched chain to a new one, you will see the difference. No, the rattle from the VTC actuator does not 'put a drag on the chain' either. You are hearing the inner vane inside the actuator move back and forth rapidly for a second or two while the gear is rotating with the engine. This is because after the engine is shut down, oil begins to drain out of the actuator. A new and stiffer spring that still allows oil pressure to move the pin to advance the cam and ensuring the pin can move freely solves the issue 90% of the time. Again, when there is sufficient spring pressure AND the locking pin can move freely, the noise is either reduced or diminished completely. Honda stated that the noise does not cause any damage as well. The i- VTEC system is electrical, hydraulic, and mechanical. There are many factors that coexist and some of them overlap to create conditions that make the rattle occur. I worked closely with a Canadian company that makes the spring kits to fix these actuators for my own CR-V, and they work with a mechanical engineer to develop and produce the kits at no profit. Do your own research, learn something new, and you will find many videos on how people have fixed the rattle in under 2 hours, with no replacement of the entire actuator. Or, be ignorant and spout off garbage. Choice is yours.

Steve Sturrock, I'm not seeing the comment you left here this morning. Go ahead and repost it, I'd love to respond.